Wednesday, October 4, 2017

Noah and M168 y-dna

Geneticists have discovered that most of mankind who lives outside Africa has the M168+ y-dna mutation descended from CF and DE ydna whereas AB found in Africa does not have this mutation and thus is M168- y-dna. The evolutionists claim that the common ancestral y-dna Adam is thus earlier than M168+ ancestor. However there are other ways of understanding the lack of M168+ in A and B haplogroups of Africa. 

CF (P143) and DE are obviously the descendants of Shem and Japheth. AB which is M168- are the descendants of Ham. Was Noah M168+ or M168-? Ham is believed to be the youngest of the brothers by many scholars. It is possible that Noah was M168+ and then Ham for some reason was conceived without M168+. Or Noah may have been M168- and his descendants outside Africa received a group mutation of M168+ which the ancestors who were in Africa didn't. Or if Ham was actually the eldest son then Noah may not have had M168+  but it occurred only in his younger sons Shem and Japheth. Biblical scholars dispute whether Shem or Japheth was the elder and translate Genesis 10:21 in different ways. However this is only referring to Shem and Japheth being older. It is possible that Ham is in fact the eldest of the three brothers rather than the youngest. I personally think Shem is most likely the youngest of the three brothers.

I think it is most likely that these mutations did occur in Japheth and Shem due to some kind of environmental or radiation effect that occurred after the birth of Ham the eldest son in the days before the Flood. We know that Noah is described in the Book of Noah preserved in the Book of Enoch as very fair skinned and as white as snow. His wife and sons were also white. We know that the descendants of Ham were black and those that were whiter like Nimrod. Thus it is most likely that Ham's wife was black and that some of her sons and daughters were a mixture of black, white and brown.When her black descendants married other black descendants and moved away from other less black descendants the black race was produced. However some of these black descendants of Ham's wife Nahal intermarried with those descendants from the bronze yellow-reddish skinned, red haired Adan wife of Japheth and the blonde white skinned Lebab wife of Shem and thus there were also black Japhethites and black Shemites. 

The red hair found amongst the Hebrews may have come through the Hebrew matriarch Rebecca's mother the wife of Bethuel. In ancient writings both Sarah and Rebecca are described as having milk white hair and skin. Though it is also possible that Abraham's mother Edna or Adina was red haired.The name of Edna or Adina comes originally from Adan (meaning red). Jacob's daughter Dinah may have also been a red head like her brother Judah.

The evolutionists propose above CF and DE (also called CT) a haplogroup called BT. They then propose that BT descends from a branch of A1b.  However A and B are descendants of their socalled BT who is actually Noah. Noah is a direct male line descendant of Adam and this is the only y-dna from Adam that survived the worldwide Flood. However instead of A1b being the ancestor of  BT it is a son or descendant. The A y-dna descended from Ham's sons Mitzrayim and Put and their sons were the first to move to Africa before the splitting of the continents. Later the Cushites of B at the time of the splitting entered Africa and then the Canaanites of B moved to Africa after their expulsion and extermination by the Israelites. However most of the Canaanite male lines died out or were exterminated and their descendants are mostly likely belong to B1 and B3 y-dna haplogroups.
We know that J1 is the haplogroup of the descendants of Mohammed and many Arabs who are descended from Ishamel the son of Abraham. So looking at the haplogroup tree we see that the ancient Hebrews descend from F and CF haplogroups. There are different opinions about what haplogroup the descendants of Isaac the half-brother of Ishmael belongs to. J1 and J2 and E found among Jews and Cohenim mostly come from the conversion of many Samaritans to Judaism in the 2nd and 1st centuries BC. Thus the so-called Cohen Model Haplogroup is in fact of Samaritan origin not that of the ancient Israelites. Both J1 and J2 are descendants of Ishmael. 

Ishmael the son of Abraham was born before the cataclysmic events of the time of Sodom and Gomorroh. Abraham's other sons by Sarah and Keturah were born after these cataclysmic events and it is in them and their descendants that K-M9 mutation is found. Isaac's son Jacob and Isaac's Keturahi half-brothers descendants all had the mutation K2-M526 except Esau and his descendants didn't. It would seem that K2-M526 was a group mutation which occurred in these groups after Jacob left Palestine as did Abraham's sons by his dark skinned wife Keturah who Abraham sent eastward. Esau and his sons were born in Palestine and instead of M526 mutation they received the mutations L298 and P326 (LT).


Haplogroup R1b and the Leahite Tribes of Israel and Judah and Group Mutations

Geologic Time Scale From a Creationist Perspective



Y Emanuel said...

This is very inaccurate, Haplogroup E is the most prevalent in AFRICA,they are not descendents of jafet

Kristopher Ransom said...

Y DNA J2 is Sidon, the son of Canaan. Google “Canaanite DNA in modern Lebanese”

Catholic Jew said...

Thanks Kristopher for your comment. However just because the modern day Lebanese lived in an area once inhabited by the Sidonites does not mean that are descendants of Sidon. Phoenicia or Lebanon has had many changes of people over the centuries. J2 is from the northern Ishmaelites of Nabioth that became known as Assyrians.

Kristopher Ransom said...

“Zalloua and Wells (2004), under the auspices of a grant from National Geographic Magazine, examined the origins of the Canaanite Phoenicians. The debate between Wells and Zalloua was whether haplogroup J2 (M172) should be identified as that of the Phoenicians or that of its "parent" haplogroup M89 on the YDNA phylogenetic tree.[24] Initial consensus suggested that J2 be identified with the Canaanite-Phoenician (Northwest Semitic) population, with avenues open for future research.[25] As Wells commented, "The Phoenicianswere the Canaanites"[26] It was reported in the PBS description of the National Geographic TV Special on this study entitled "Quest for the Phoenicians" that ancient DNA was included in this study as extracted from the tooth of a 2500-year-old Phoenician mummy.[27]”

“Wells identified the haplogroup of the Canaanites as haplogroup J2 which originated in northern Mesopotamia.[28] The National Geographic Genographic Project linked haplogroup J2 to the site of Jericho, Tel el-Sultan, ca. 8500 BCE and indicated that in modern populations, haplogroup J2 is found primarily in the Middle East, but also along the coasts of North Africa and Southern Europe, with especially high distribution among present-day Jewish populations (30%), Southern Italians (20%), and lower frequencies in Southern Spain (10%).[29]”

National Geographic Magazine, October 2004. Available online:; and [accessed: March 10, 2008]

^ "Who Were the Phoenicians? - National Geographic Magazine". Retrieved 2014-06-30.
^ "National Geographic Special 'Quest for the Phoenicians'". PBS. 2004. Archived from the original on 2004-09-23.
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^ The Atlas of the Human Journey-Genetic Markers-Haplogroup J2 (M172): "Archived copy". Archived from the original on 2008-04-05. Retrieved 2013-03-26. [Accessed April 11, 2008]

Kristopher Ransom said...

They can trace the Phoenicians through Y DNA J2. Nubians in the Sudan are Y DNA J1. Y DNA DE AIS not Japheth, Magog is R1a and Gomer is R1b, the Scythians and Cimmerians Barbarians. So J is part of Ham and DE is Shem.,amp.html

Kristopher Ransom said...

"Relatives of Adolf Hitler were tested by the Geneticist Ronny Decorte and he concluded that the Reich’s F├╝rher belonged to haplogroup E1b1b. Ironically, this haplogroup believed to be at the forbearer of Afro-Asiatic languages, which includes the Semitic languages and peoples, Hitler despised so much."

Kristopher Ransom said...

“E-P2, also known as E1b1, is a human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. This paternal clade had an ancient presence in the Middle East, and is now primarily distributed in Africa, with lower frequencies in the Middle East and Europe.”

Check this:

“The proto-Afro-Asiatic group carrying the E-P2 mutation may have appeared at this point in time and subsequently gave rise to the different major population groups including current speakers of the Afro-Asiatic languages and pastoralist populations.”

Catholic Jew said...

Thanks Kristopher for your input and sharing your thoughts. However many of these studies are based on assumptions that I do not necessarily accept. While I do think J2 y-dna is the core Phoenician y-dna (they are indeed Shemites through Ishmael), I do not believe that the Phoenicians are the same as Canaanites nor do I accept that the so-alled Bronze Age cities in Israel are Canaanite but Israelite as like Velikovsky and others I do not accept the dating methodologies and accepted chronologies of modern academia. I interpret the y-dna evidence within a framework of about 4,500 years from Noah till today not the 200,000 year period accepted by evolutionists.