Monday, November 9, 2009

R1b-L21 Davidic sons of Joseph of Arimathea


Those who have read my previous posts will know that I believe that the male line of some of the ancient Israelites was the R1b haplotype and that J is the group belonging to the Samaritans, Saducees and Assyrians. I also have demonstrated how High King Niall of the Nine Hostages (M-222)is a descendant of Joseph of Arimathea's grandson Nathan the Red of Ireland. This Nathan the Red (or St Joseph of Arimathea himself) may be the founder of the R1b-M222 clans of the House of King David.  The y-dna of King David himself is R1b. Tsar Nicholas II of Russia belongs to this group and is a direct male line descendant of the House of Oldenburgh who descend from the Babylonian Exilarchs. The descendants of Prince Nathan son of King David belong to R1b-L21 which is ancestral to R1b-M22. The Royal House of Stuart also is R1b-L21.
Tsar Nicholas II of the Royal House of King David reigning over Russia

Recent DNA testing is revealing a number of Ashkenazi Jews [as well as some Sephardi Jews] who have L21 but not M222 in Germany,Poland and Lithuania. Familytreedna research project on L21 in June 2009 states: "Eastern European Ashkenazi R-L21* Haplotype Cluster discovered with characteristic marker values 388=11, 392=14, 459b=9, and 464c=15. Commenting on the comparison of several cluster haplotypes, Dr. Anatole Klyosov wrote (translated from Russian by Lena Govor): ". . . [A]ll these haplotypes have 8 mutations in 25 markers and 14 mutations in 37 markers. This places the common ancestor of all 7 haplotypes 650±240 years back if calculating on the basis of 25-markers and 550±160 back if calculating on the basis of 37 markers. In other words these seven people have a common ancestor who lived in the 14-15th century. It is possible to reconstruct that these families fled Central Europe around 650 years ago when Europe was depopulated by the bubonic plaque and Jews were often massacred as alleged culprits of the epidemic. The surviving Jews fled to Lithuania and Poland, who offered them protection. Jews at that time experienced a genetic bottleneck. That is why the most distant common ancestor of many Jewish clusters lived in the middle of the 14th century or later – that corresponds to the time of their migration to the new territories in Eastern Europe."


Possible route of Davidic family (L21)from the Black Sea to Germany fleeing the Persians in the 5th century AD

There is much confusion as to whether L21 comes from the British Isles or from the continent. Others postulate Celtic theories and Jewish conversions. However the evidence seems to fit with my own theories about the descendants of Nathan or Nascien the brother of St Joseph of Arimathea who is the ancestor of the Babylonian Exilarchs. Nathan's descendants left Ireland to settle in Babylon in the 2nd century AD. Later under the persecutions of the Davidic House by the Persians many surviving members of the Davidic House fled to Germany in late Merovingian times and others to Southern France in the time of the Carolingians. Other members of the Babylonian House of David went to Barcelona and Spain in the 10th century and we also find some L21 in Spain and Portugal as well as from some Jews of Sephardi ancestry. I also recently was sent this from the L21 research project: "Recent random testing of R1b1b2 men of French ancestry for L21 has produced remarkable results. Of those we have tested or recruited for testing, at least half have turned out to be L21+. The figure for Northern France is even higher. It appears that L21 may be as common in France, if not more common, as it is in England. L21 is also showing up frequently in Germany, and we have one member who traces his ancestry to Luxembourg. That is quite remarkable, as well, since persons of Luxembourg descent are pretty rare in YSearch and other genetic genealogy databases. These kinds of results are beginning to give us some clues about the origin of L21, although that subject remains controversial and open to interpretation. One thing is for sure: such results are revealing how L21 is distributed on the European Continent."


A Samaritan Cohen

The R1b-ht35 that has been found in Jewish populations may be the true levitical and cohen dna. The so-called famous Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH) of the J haplogroup is in fact the Samaritan and Saducee cohanim (priests) (J1 and J2) not the cohanim and leviim descended from Aaron and Levi (R-ht35). Dna studies also demonstrate that the y-dna of Mohammed the Muslim prophet is also J1e and thus he was descended from the Ishmaeli Samaritan/Saducee priests allied with the House of Shammai. One encyclodepia entry on nationmaster.com states: "Genetic and demographic investigations of the Samaritan community were carried out in the 1960s. Detailed pedigrees of the last 13 generations show that the Samaritans comprise four lineages:
The Tsedakah lineage, claiming descent from the tribe of Manasseh
The Joshua-Marhiv lineage, claiming descent from the tribe of Ephraim
The Danfi lineage, claiming descent from the tribe of Ephraim
The priestly Cohen lineage from the tribe of Levi.
Of the 12 Samaritan males, 10 (83%) belong to haplogroup J, which has three of the four Samaritan families. The Joshua-Marhiv family belongs to subhaplogroup J1, while the Danfi and Tsedakah families belong to subhaplogroup J2, and can be further distinguished by M67, the derived allele of which has been found in the Danfi family..."
However the original High Priest line of the Samaritans died out and the present priests are from the Samaritan Levite families who are of E haplogroup the same as some Ashkenazis and Sephardis who claim Levite status. We know from Scripture that the Samaritan's are not of Israelite ancestry but of Assyrian ancestry. Absolute astronomy website on an article on DNA called "Y-chromosomal Aaron" states: "The E1b1b1 haplogroup (formerly known as haplogroup E3b1) has been observed in all Jewish groups worldwide. It is considered to be the second most prevalent haplogroup among the Jewish population. According to one major paper it has also been observed in moderate numbers among individuals from Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Samaritan communities having traditions of descending from the tribe of Levi, suggesting that the E1b1b1 Levites may have existed in Israel before the Diaspora of 70 C.E."




The website of Familytreedna states in regard to ht-35: "Before the advent of Y-SNP testing, and well before the discovery of detailed knowledge about the structure of haplogroup R1b, TaqI 49a,f haplotypes were used by early population geneticists. Two particular TaqI 49a,f haplotypes have been found to be associated with what we now know to be haplogroup R1b1b2. The two haplotypes are ht15 and ht35. ht15 is most commonly found in western European R1b1b2... ht35, the parent haplotype of ht25, is most commonly found in southeastern Europe and southwestern Asia...Elevated levels of ht35 have also been observed among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish populations. Recently, several SNPs have been discovered that are believed to effectively demarcate ht15 from ht35. These include L11, L52, P310, and P311. We believe that all ht35 will be negative for these four Y-SNPs and also for P312 and U106". The Wikipedia article on R1b also discusses the R-ht35. It states: "There also exists a haplotype of R1b with the DYS393=12 which is known in the literature as Haplotype 35, or ht35, as opposed to the AMH which is known as haplotype 15...They can be found in high numbers in Anatolia and Armenia with smaller numbers throughout the Middle East, in Jewish populations, in Southeastern Europe, and in the Caucasus Mountains. There is also a sizable pocket of ht35 in Uyghur populations in western China, which is thought to be a remnant of the Tocharians, an Indo-European speaking people that inhabited the Tarim Basin in Central Asia until they were later absorbed by various Turkic peoples. Ht35 is also present in Britain in areas that were found to have a high concentration of Haplogroup J, suggesting they arrived together, perhaps through Roman soldiers."


The Dna evidence seems to clear up a mystery in regards to the parents of Lancelot. His parents Anlach (Angus) and Marchell seems to have quite confused the genealogists. Anlach [L21] is the son of the Judiarch Nathan Todros (Tudwal)of the Gewisse [who some genealogists make the father of Marchell]and his wife Princess Coron [confused with a King Coronac by some). Marchell is an Irish Princess of Dal Riata the daughter of King Muredach [M-222]of Ireland. Thus the many L21 descendants on the continent are the descendants of the Davidic House both among the Christian Royalty and Aristocracy and their descendants as well as among the Jewish population. Nevertheless to the clan of L21 belong Charlemagne, St Louis IX of France and Machir Theodoric the Jewish King of Narbonne and all their direct male line descendants. Many years ago I read an old book that claimed that millions of Western Europeans were the descendants of King David and it would seem that this is indeed true if L21 is the Davidic clan of the Davidic House of Nathan. While L21 is a Davidic clan it is not the only one and others while being R1b descendants of David will not be L21. Mattata the yibum son of Prince Nathan (actual son of King Solomon) or one of his later descendants had the R1b-L21 mutation.


R1b-P312 is most likely a marker for the sons of Leah which includes the Judaites. At his stage of research it is believed that R1b among Ashkenazi Jews is about 10-15% and among Sephardi Jews 30-40 %. R-U106 would seem to be of the a clan of the descendants of Zebulon. However it is still early days in genetic research and further developments and data are needed to speculate any further. It is important to remember that one is not more or less Jewish if they don't descend from Judah on the direct male line. Through intermarriage most Jews will be descendants of Judah even if it isn't on the direct patrilineal line.

Note added June 30 2015: Further dna studies have demonstrated that R1b M222+ is earlier than formerly proposed and that it goes back further than the time of Niall of the Nine Hostages to the time of St Joseph of Arimathea in Southern England. It would seem that M222 began in St Joseph of Arimathea or his son. The descendants of Joseph's brother Nathan (Nascien/ Tenaufen) a Romano-Jewish- British Ruler or King are of R1b L21.


see this for more on R1b Cohanim http://r1blog.blogspot.com/2009/08/r1b1b2-cohanim.html Also see r1b cohane

Also see Sons of Jacob, DNA and the Jews